Virtual Sound Stages - VI-CONTROL (2024)

You probably need an X-Y panner like the Cubase VST multipanner to first separate the instruments in a way that makes spatial sense, then slap some IR on top of it.

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jimjazzuk said:

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm trying to 'place' certain instruments in a 'space'. For example I'm using Audio Modelling Trumpet and 'Bones and want to make it sound like it's in a room with my piano, bass and drums. The reverbs I have (the reverbs built into Logic) and not really giving me the desired outcome. Never needed this kind of plugin before... what am I looking for? Suggestions?

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The basic "problem" with reverbs is that they always sound only as good as the one who uses them makes them sound.
With the onboard-reverbs of Logic you can easily achieve a really good and absolutely professionel sound, but you have to know what you do. OTOH, the best reverbs can completely destroy a mix if not used in a proper way.

For depth you could try the freeware tool "Proximity" from TDR in combination with Logic's Direction Mixer.

Second, you should have a closer look at Space Designer and Chroma Verb.

I would definitely not buy any other reverb as long as you struggle with the onboard tools.

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The basic "problem" with reverbs is that they always sound only as good as the one who uses them makes them sound.
With the onboard-reverbs of Logic you can easily achieve a really good and absolutely professionel sound, but you have to know what you do. OTOH, the best reverbs can completely destroy a mix if not used in a proper way.

For depth you could try the freeware tool "Proximity" from TDR in combination with Logic's Direction Mixer.

Second, you should have a closer look at Space Designer and Chroma Verb.

I would definitely not buy any other reverb as long as you struggle with the onboard tools.

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You are most probably right. I was wondering if I needed to get a better grip with my reverbs, or whether people usually use something else dedicated to the task

jimjazzuk said:

You are most probably right. I was wondering if I needed to get a better grip with my reverbs, or whether people usually use something else dedicated to the task

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As written.
Dedicated reverbs are absolutely great if used in the proper way.
However, if you have not that much experience, it makes zero sense. (and as written, Chroma Verb and Space Designer are better than lots of paid options)
I also think that without proper room acoustics in your studio, working with reverberation is a blind flight, unless you're really experienced.

Hard to decide your reverb needs because we don't know your bass and piano and drums.

For early reflections the Samplemodeling instruments have rather good working built in possibilities. They are found under the "Virtual Soundstage" tab in the instrument GUI. For pop/rock/jazz I dial them completely back to zero and work with the same reverbs and delays I use for the rhythm section. For orchestral stuff I use them and add just a long tail reverb. In Logic that could be Space designer or Chromaverb. But as mentioned before: it completely depends on your other instruments.

How much do you want to spend? For $200, I can recommend 2CAudio's PBJ:

But, as slready mentioned, that's not to minimize the importance of learning whatever tools you end up using.

I use Virtual Sound Stage 2.0 every day. It really does a great job of glueing a bunch of different dry sound together with just a little work.

Same as me. I would recommend VSS 2.0 because you cannot do sooo much wrong with. And it is quite cheap, nice to watch and listen to and quite obvious in its handling. I have it on

track in

song.

I looked at Virtual Sound Stage for quite a while before buying PBJ. What dissuaded me was the very erratic customer support:

rrichard63 said:

How much do you want to spend? For $200, I can recommend 2CAudio's PBJ:

PBJ SUMMARY The PBJ Pack is a Spatial Mixing Environment that combines sublime psychoacoustic positioning and industry-leading algorithmic reverb into a unified and intelligently adaptive workflow. It introduces a unique system of multi-instance editing and inter-plugin communication that...

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But, as slready mentioned, that's not to minimize the importance of learning whatever tools you end up using.

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The Precedence plug-in in that pack is definitely something worth checking out...

rrichard63 said:

I looked at Virtual Sound Stage for quite a while before buying PBJ. What dissuaded me was the very erratic customer support:

Trouble contacting Parallax Audio/Virtual Sound Stage

Has anyone had difficulty getting a response from Parallax Audio? I've sent multiple emails over the last three weeks and got nothing back, nothing in my spam folder either. Has anyone else had my problem?

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Ah ok. We posted at the same time. Thanks for this. Would you say, from your experience, one needs Breeze 2 alongside Precedence? I’ve just asked the same question in an older 2caudio thread and there seems to be at least one category of users that uses other reverbs of choice (on a bus rather than on every track as an insert).

The tools in Logic Pro, though, should be more than enough to get things in the ballpark. I would definitely recommend disabling the reverbs built in to the AudioModeling instruments.

AudioModeling plug-ins might be more difficult than most to place in context with other instruments, because they are so clean and pure. Another potential problem with the AM plug-ins is you might be driving them too bright (either with wind control of some other expression input). Dialing back the intensity might give you a sound that's easier to blend.

doctoremmet said:

Are VSS 2 and Precedence 1.5 somewhat comparable?

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Somewhat comparable, yes. I talk a little bit about this in this post:

There’s also this thread:

doctoremmet said:

Ah ok. We posted at the same time. Thanks for this. Would you say, from your experience, one needs Breeze 2 alongside Precedence? I’ve just asked the same question in an older 2caudio thread and there seems to be at least one category of users that uses other reverbs of choice (on a bus rather than on every track as an insert).

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Personally, I think Breeze is a good plug-in, but any number of other reverbs would be fine.

doctoremmet said:

... Would you say, from your experience, one needs Breeze 2 alongside Precedence? I’ve just asked the same question in an older 2caudio thread and there seems to be at least one category of users that uses other reverbs of choice (on a bus rather than on every track as an insert).

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I can see how there would be different opinions about this. Precedence and Breeze 2 communicate with each other; Breeze 2 knows the settings you've made in Precedence. That isn't possible between Precedence and other reverbs. That's what makes the combination so comparable to Virtual Sound Stage.